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		<title>By: The perfect page&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blog.helpfultechnology.com/2009/11/the-pieces-of-the-digital-engagement-puzzle/comment-page-1/#comment-24016</link>
		<dc:creator>The perfect page&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the boss is focusing on what goes up when and how to make it more engaging, I&#8217;m mainly working on three [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Kerr-Stevens</title>
		<link>http://blog.helpfultechnology.com/2009/11/the-pieces-of-the-digital-engagement-puzzle/comment-page-1/#comment-14825</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Kerr-Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is anything in the fact that the models all seem to reflect engagement as a third stage activity - could there be any value in engaging, perhaps in a pilot stage, early on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is anything in the fact that the models all seem to reflect engagement as a third stage activity &#8211; could there be any value in engaging, perhaps in a pilot stage, early on?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used nearly an identical slide near the start of a training session last week for an arms length government body.

1.)Listening
2.)Engagement
3.)Creating Content (same as explaining, except I included blogging here - just for a practical point of view for that audience - it bridges the two.)
4.)Collaboration (I would agree the word convening has its charms)

I present this as a hierarchy (although ideally it shouldn&#039;t be) with the order dependent on the organisation. 

Apart from listening, that has to come first, it can be helpful to swap, emphasise or rename elements to match existing understanding, their own skills, expectations and operational restrictions and objectives.

It all comes down to horses for courses but semantics aside I agree on the approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used nearly an identical slide near the start of a training session last week for an arms length government body.</p>
<p>1.)Listening<br />
2.)Engagement<br />
3.)Creating Content (same as explaining, except I included blogging here &#8211; just for a practical point of view for that audience &#8211; it bridges the two.)<br />
4.)Collaboration (I would agree the word convening has its charms)</p>
<p>I present this as a hierarchy (although ideally it shouldn&#8217;t be) with the order dependent on the organisation. </p>
<p>Apart from listening, that has to come first, it can be helpful to swap, emphasise or rename elements to match existing understanding, their own skills, expectations and operational restrictions and objectives.</p>
<p>It all comes down to horses for courses but semantics aside I agree on the approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Embedding Consultations in What&#8217;s Already Out There at Actually&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Embedding Consultations in What&#8217;s Already Out There at Actually&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the [digital engagement] task as an element in its own right&#8221;) in a consideration of the The pieces of the digital engagement puzzle, where he posted a commentary upon the following [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Hoadley</title>
		<link>http://blog.helpfultechnology.com/2009/11/the-pieces-of-the-digital-engagement-puzzle/comment-page-1/#comment-11253</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hoadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this interesting and very much along the lines of an engagement model I was working on while at Directgov. To me, listening had both a passive (in the way you describe it) element, and an active one - where the listening you do actually found its way back into the thinking - and actions taken by - the department/organisations you work for.

I&#039;m not so fussed about &#039;Convening&#039; but I will say that much of the actual convening I&#039;ve seen where Government is an active participant often involves the same faces, something I used to call the &#039;donut of interested Citizens&#039; that sits around Government. I think to the uninitiated this can often be a very daunting circle of people to break into.

It is this circle that I think sometimes needs to broken apart allowing for other ideas and opinions to enter into the mix - and of course that is the challenge of this last bit - how do you create or enable that engagement to occur? I think it happens best at a local and hyperlocal level.

As for the mention of inclusion - implicit in Cyberdoyles comments about getting better access - I think there is an often overlooked second part to that: Once you get people access and online, how do you get them to participate and engage? Which comes back to the issues I&#039;ve mentioned above.

Having recently attended the GLA #londondata event, I suggested that they not only hold sessions with developers who are interested in open data sets, but also the people who hold the data in GLA and Citizens on the street - after all, it&#039;s one thing to release data, but in my mind no one has yet adequately answered the question of what do Citizens really want out of it?

It&#039;s an interesting model you have. It&#039;s something I continue to work on and evolve from outside of Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this interesting and very much along the lines of an engagement model I was working on while at Directgov. To me, listening had both a passive (in the way you describe it) element, and an active one &#8211; where the listening you do actually found its way back into the thinking &#8211; and actions taken by &#8211; the department/organisations you work for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so fussed about &#8216;Convening&#8217; but I will say that much of the actual convening I&#8217;ve seen where Government is an active participant often involves the same faces, something I used to call the &#8216;donut of interested Citizens&#8217; that sits around Government. I think to the uninitiated this can often be a very daunting circle of people to break into.</p>
<p>It is this circle that I think sometimes needs to broken apart allowing for other ideas and opinions to enter into the mix &#8211; and of course that is the challenge of this last bit &#8211; how do you create or enable that engagement to occur? I think it happens best at a local and hyperlocal level.</p>
<p>As for the mention of inclusion &#8211; implicit in Cyberdoyles comments about getting better access &#8211; I think there is an often overlooked second part to that: Once you get people access and online, how do you get them to participate and engage? Which comes back to the issues I&#8217;ve mentioned above.</p>
<p>Having recently attended the GLA #londondata event, I suggested that they not only hold sessions with developers who are interested in open data sets, but also the people who hold the data in GLA and Citizens on the street &#8211; after all, it&#8217;s one thing to release data, but in my mind no one has yet adequately answered the question of what do Citizens really want out of it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting model you have. It&#8217;s something I continue to work on and evolve from outside of Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the way your thinking on this keeps evolving, exactly as it should. Early days, early days. 

Convening implies much more than collaborating. 

And I agree that evaluation is a golden thread through it all. Tied to that, it&#039;s worth noting the important activity of selecting: choosing when, where and how to engage - which opportunities are going to make a difference and which could be a less worthwhile use of time. This probably comes somewhere between listening and the other three? Listening internally, as well as externally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the way your thinking on this keeps evolving, exactly as it should. Early days, early days. </p>
<p>Convening implies much more than collaborating. </p>
<p>And I agree that evaluation is a golden thread through it all. Tied to that, it&#8217;s worth noting the important activity of selecting: choosing when, where and how to engage &#8211; which opportunities are going to make a difference and which could be a less worthwhile use of time. This probably comes somewhere between listening and the other three? Listening internally, as well as externally?</p>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks for November 27th through November 29th</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookmarks for November 27th through November 29th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The pieces of the digital engagement puzzle at Helpful Technology &#8211; Steph explains what he sees as the four elements of digital engagement activity: listen, explain, engage, convene. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can agree with all of these particularly the last one and that is only partly about the technology. What is missing for me is inclusion which means understanding today&#039;s problem. People who are not just disengaged, but also excluded have to see a value for them personally. Wider community benefit can, and will, come later. Solve the problem, then backfill the rest.This seems to be a recuring theme recently and engaging the disengaged is, for me at least, one step removed from including the excluded. I see this as important because the next step is empowering and if we don&#039;t empower everyone we risk deepening exclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can agree with all of these particularly the last one and that is only partly about the technology. What is missing for me is inclusion which means understanding today&#8217;s problem. People who are not just disengaged, but also excluded have to see a value for them personally. Wider community benefit can, and will, come later. Solve the problem, then backfill the rest.This seems to be a recuring theme recently and engaging the disengaged is, for me at least, one step removed from including the excluded. I see this as important because the next step is empowering and if we don&#8217;t empower everyone we risk deepening exclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: cyberdoyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyberdoyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collaboration and convening, both the same. Neither will work in a digital world without the connection. Connection is the key to all the boxes.</description>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill: Collaboration for a long time was my fourth box. But I think, for me, convening expresses the idea better - it&#039;s not just about using a collaborative tool like a wiki or Huddle/Google Docs to write something jointly as a group.

From the perspective of corporate IT, I can see that getting to the stage of sharing common interfaces and processes is a major achievement with major efficiencies. But from where I sit, and particularly where there are existing online communities, there&#039;s a stage beyond this where people get together and take action helped but not led by government. 

Clearly, that doesn&#039;t apply to every aspect of service delivery. But for policy making and the kind of entrepreneurship, ambition-raising, networking kind of policy objectives my campaigns often need to support, using the tools to get the right people talking and connecting with each other to work out what they can do to deliver the solution is really key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill: Collaboration for a long time was my fourth box. But I think, for me, convening expresses the idea better &#8211; it&#8217;s not just about using a collaborative tool like a wiki or Huddle/Google Docs to write something jointly as a group.</p>
<p>From the perspective of corporate IT, I can see that getting to the stage of sharing common interfaces and processes is a major achievement with major efficiencies. But from where I sit, and particularly where there are existing online communities, there&#8217;s a stage beyond this where people get together and take action helped but not led by government. </p>
<p>Clearly, that doesn&#8217;t apply to every aspect of service delivery. But for policy making and the kind of entrepreneurship, ambition-raising, networking kind of policy objectives my campaigns often need to support, using the tools to get the right people talking and connecting with each other to work out what they can do to deliver the solution is really key.</p>
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